@lonefire I could ask the same from you guys.

@LittleEndu
does drop out pay you per post?











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@ascriptmaster I'm not going to give a sniper a view to give them "constructive criticism". Haven't read a single chapter from you and never will. The first few pages of last chapter was enough to prove how little you care.

@ascriptmaster you are cute, pls continue being cute

@LittleEndu that's not   constructive criticism

@ascriptmaster sorry, didn't see your question.

Even if you put 10x more effort in than your last release, 0 effort times 10 is still 0 effort.

@ascriptmaster
Well I can understand you , the passion move you to get better and i'ts good, but if you want to try help is up to you.
Yeah their work is very good and they have more experience, so maybe if they accept you, you could learn with them too... you work could not be perfect but I actually saw very worse around xD
What I mean is, don't give up already if you want to try.. if you don't want, it's ok to try something else!

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hahaha it's pathetic that leechers are crying over snipe like this.
and it's also pathetic that the snipers are making excuses to justify their snipes.
who cares, man. if you wanna snipe then just do it. don't make excuses.
freeloaders have no power. all they can do is complain without actually doing anything! biting the hand that feeds them!

@lonefire

It was nice the time we worked together lone, you're fired.

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@Oeconomist

I see. It seems that we won't be seeing eye-to-eye on this issue. Well, it's not unexpected that something like this might happen. Please continue to disregard our chapters as you please; I will wish you, nor anyone that is indignant about our practices, absolutely no harm whatsoever. I think that you and I, disregarding sides, or ties to any groups, can agree that it is absolutely up to the reader to decide which chapters to read, and that spoiling the last chapter of a series isn't fun for the spoiled. It's unfortunate that we couldn't come to an agreement, but I still wish you a pleasant morning, afternoon, or evening.

@EmiYusa Truth be told, I am not very fluent in Japanese. If you see how badly I did in chapter 163 with its awkward dialogue and a few mistranslations (such as accidentally attributing a speech bubble to the wrong person) you would see just how much I'm riding by the seat of my pants. I basically started working on this the moment I finished 163, and during the last three days, most of my work on the chapter was spent wrestling with writing the script with my limited Japanese skills, with the help of the team and from countless trips to various translation resources, and even then, there are a few places that I feel like I didn't get the translation 100% accurate.

Honestly, I doubt that #dropout would've been willing to accept help from me, considering the only thing on my track record, before I uploaded 164, was my release of 163 and all the problems that it had. I have no proof that they'd reject me, of course (I never actually asked), but I'm sure that the translator that #dropout actually found for their chapter 163 is much better than me at doing translation work anyways. For me, this was mostly a passion project to try and push the series along for the sake of my own closure, so if my work helped motivate #dropout to get their translator availability issues for the series dealt with, then I've done my job already. (And even if it wasn't a factor in #dropout finding a new translator, the fact that they did find one is good enough for me.)

@HetZek—

No, I wasn't speaking for anyone else; I was expressing a hope about everyone else. Your attempt to confuse one with the other is just bad faith argumentation.

As to the rest, I already laid-out the case. It's simple and damning; you want now to throw-up lots of verbal chaff to obliterate that simplicity.

What exactly is in bad faith in our actions then, pray tell? You seem to be speaking for an awful lot of people when you say "everyone else".

@HetZek—

No, there's not much assumption there. There's just facts laid-out in a list, and then the most straight-forward interpretation of what you're doing — that you're a group acting within the rules but in bad faith.

So I'll hope that @rhino36 and the others in #dropout just bear in mind that the mess that you're making is mostly just temporary so long as #dropout completes its project, and that everyone else understands that you're trying to make other people feel miserable because that gives you a sense of personal efficacy that you cannot get in a more constructive way.

@Oeconomist

Golly gee this boi assuming an awful lot of shit

"The one user to raise an objection (based upon the spurious claim that those using their Follows pages had failed to read) was from the HetZek group."
Lone doesn't speak or read a lick of Japanese, so it's not like he's above chapter sniping or early spoiling. Also, his opinion (which is a funny one tbh, and likely tongue-in-cheek to incite others) doesn't represent the rest of our group's opinions, and neither I nor ascript, the latter of which was the one to undertake these two chapters off of his own accord and not by the evil HetZek's command, were aware that his comment making fun of people who were angry that got spoiled existed. So the fact that we posted our first snipe to the series after he'd said that is irrelevant; you're yelling at the CEO of McDonald's because you saw a janitor piss on someone's fries.

As for our first snipe having clear translation errors, I haven't looked over it myself, so I wouldn't know if the errors were either plentiful or egregious, but I do know that the credit page clearly states that this may be the case. Now, I won't blame you for not having seen that, considering that it's the last page of the chapter. That, doubled with your decision to skip this chapter as it is done by my group, a choice that I respect, leads me to assume that you probably didn't give ascript's first chapter much of your time.

As for the "hideous typeset," yeah, you're right, it was awful. However, he took constructive criticism and his second release, the very chapter we are commenting on, saw leaps and bounds in improvements. Improvement is more than what I can ask for, and I think most people who had to deal with the infamous blue bubbles in GTO can agree that improvement is good.

As for the part being "in bad faith"...Well, the morals of scanlation groups have always been up for debate. For example, we have this series, Hatsukoi Zombie, which had been finished in Japan, took three, then nine, then sixteen days until dropout released chapters 161, 162, and 163, respectively. Of course, it's not as if I don't understand - life happens, translators/typesetters/whatevers can get busy. I get it. I'm way behind schedule on one of the series I picked up as well, much to my chagrin, as I've called myself a speedscanner. However, considering that 1. Scanlating is, ultimately, a fan effort, and that 2. People can choose to not read chapters done by such "abusive" groups, such as you yourself have chosen, I believe that nothing we are doing is "in bad faith," as you say.

So yeah, in the end, I don't see why we're being looked at as if we're trying to abuse site rules (?), or deceive readers into stealing views (those precious, precious views) from a more renowned group, or simply even acting in bad faith. I mean yeah, I play up the whole memelord and antagonistic thing as drama and entertainment for the readers, but at the end of the day I'm still just a manga enthusiast that does this - and lots of coke - as a hobby. In Juliet, I saw that very spoiler-heavy chapters were posted, and that the original group that was doing the series was a month or so behind schedule. I could empathize with the readers gated behind the chapter gap while the spoiler was taunting them all the while, so I took it upon myself to typeset the Juliet chapters. An extremely similar situation has happened here, so I can only assume that ascript felt the same as I did, especially seeing as how dropout themselves stated in a release of theirs that they needed a translator for this series, lest it never be done.

The point of this post isn't to say that you're wrong, or that we're better, or anything. I'm just explaining my (our) side of the view, as you have stated yours. Feel free to not read any chapters released by our group; you have the freedom to do so. If you have any rebuttals, complaints, or loose ends that you feel like needs to be tied up, send me a DM or a reply. I'm all ears.

TL;DR: im right ur wrong lmao eat my ween

@Dipuc4Life—

The final chapter was not released by #dropout; it was released by a scanalator previously known for sniping with chapter skips to spoil series. Because the Follows pages do not warn about chapter skips, readers find themselves in a spoiler chapter without warning.
A proposal was made to add such warnings to the Follows pages. The one user to raise an objection (based upon the spurious claim that those using their Follows pages had failed to read) was from the HetZek group.
After that objection was posted, the HetZek group posted its first snipe to this series. That snipe had clear translation errors and was typeset hideously.
After that upload and before HetZek posted its next upload, #dropout continued, demonstrating that they had not abandoned the series (despite the sniping).
The HetZek group has posted trolling comments after its snipes.

You're absolutely right that one can skip over the snipes by HetZek. I've done that for this chapter. (I just went straight to the comments.) That doesn't change the fact that their efforts have plainly been in bad faith. People have a right to be disgusted that one or two groups are looking to be as abusive as they can while staying within the formal rules of the site.

Damn F for Ebino. I was hoping there would be a better wrap up for her love but that being said, it's better than open ended or worse, letting the weird brother have her.

hey thanks for coming in and releasing the chapter!
but why don't try to work with dropout and help ecah one to continue the series? it also would help to come faster , right?